What Today's Accreditation Announcement Means

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Regional Accreditation?

Wow. Good to hear. Guess that kinda makes this site irrelevant now.

Posted by Anonymous on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 05:23
Irrelevant? Hardly.

If the board member who talks in internet forums is to be believed, BJU is at least 5-7 years away from regional accreditation...if they follow the process through to the end and don't abandon it.

BJU isn't regionally accredited yet.

BJU isn't even a candidate for regional accreditation yet.

BJU only said that they're thinking about regional accreditation.

In the meantime, that makes this site all the more relevant and necessary.

- Chuk G.

Posted by Anonymous on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 16:06
Irrelevant?

Are you really serious? You aren't kidding are you? This site serves as a site to inform the public about BJU's accreditation whatever form they have. As it stands this very second BJU still has TRACS. Their official statement says they are free to "investigate." We are still probably a decade away from BJU having regional accreditation (did you even read my post?). This is something I'd expect someone to know and understand before they comment, the fact that you don't realize that scares me just a bit. The day BJU shows up on SACS website as officially accredited is when this site will *start* to become less needed. Until that day nothing has changed here. If you don't realize that it shows a high level of ignorance on your part.

Even after that day this site will still exist. It serves an important role in documenting the history of BJU and in researching topics pertinent to alum. When BJU gets SACS accreditation that won't solve all the problems alum are having immediately and certainly won't heal the wounds they've already had. Again if you don't understand that than sit down and actually read the posts from this site before commenting next time.

Thanks

Posted by bjuaccreditation on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 16:00
My Bet: Too Late

 

In their quest to keep BJU free from "an educational hierarchy, ecclesiastical or secular," the Joneses did nothing short of setting up their own automomous ecclesiastical educational hierarchy. They fortified their ideological walls and lobbed payloads over the ramparts at everyone else, preaching their own made-up gospel to their own home-grown kingdom: they were the only righteous, the Remnant, the last of the "biblically faithful." It was an attempt to set themselves up as the sole safe refuge, the last shining light in a world they screeched at the top of their institutional lungs to be dark and depraved.
 
Now, faced with their own demise, they've expediently capitulated to the very system they once said belonged to "Belial." They're asking for the sanction and endorsement of the Philistines they turned their noses up just a few short years ago. Anyone with the will to open their eyes can see: all along it's been nothing more than  a concocted fiction of fear, uncertainty and dread. It was never a glorious call to biblical separation. It was never about the Bible at all. It was all about BJU's stubbornness, insistence on autonomy, and the kind of hateful pride that has made them the object of the world's derision for decades.
 
I think it's too late. I think they've run out of time, and the citizens who formerly occupied their kingdom of fear have slipped through the gate, across the moat, and out into the sunshine of a largely inviting and friendly world. If the king had shrieked less and listened more, he would have realized that those weren't Philistines at the gates at all; they were the voices of normal people who live normal lives and who are blessed by the Creator with intelligence, mutuality, integrity, the conviction that knowledge is power, and the belief that information wants to be free.
 
God is not the author of fear. He is the author of power, love, and strong minds.
Posted by Grant Lewis on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:23
It was never a glorious call

It was never a glorious call to biblical separation. It was never about the Bible at all. It was all about BJU's stubbornness, insistence on autonomy, and the kind of hateful pride that has made them the object of the world's derision for decades.

"Hateful pride" is a ficticious slander, as anyone who knew those men could testify.  But it is important to realize that most of that old generation is dead.  They believed what they said.  BJIII has changed his mind, apparently, which is nothing new.  This current Board simply doesn't believe what the first generation believed.  As it says in Ecclesiastes: you labor for a lifetime, you die, and somebody else gets your stuff -- and he may not be what you'd wish he were! (2:18-19)

Posted by Anonymous on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 04:45
You need a refresher on the

You need a refresher on the definition of "slander." I'm expressing an opinion. You disagree; that's fine. But don't try to raise the argumentative stakes if you don't have the vocabulary to do so. 

"...as anyone who knew those men could testify." I'm talking about Bob Jones University. It is one of the most reviled institutions on the planet. It has a long history of being prideful, hurtful, intractable and, yes, hateful. Perhaps you'd care to give the name of another institution you feel more appropriately deserving of that reputation.

The board unanimously voted for BJU to seek national accreditation from TRACS in May, 2004. BJIII at that time proclaimed that the school remained "adamantly and irrevocably opposed to regional accreditation." Now, in 2011 the board unanimously votes for BJU to seek regional accreditation. Sixty of the 74 members -- more than 80%  -- from the 2004 vote are still on the BJU board. It's certainly not true that "most of the old generation is dead." Do some research.

Posted by Grant Lewis on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 16:57
Let's Agree on This:

A "university" cannot be hatefully proud except in a figurative sense; only the humans who participate in it are capable thereof, and you made a false and slanderous accusation against those men and ladies.

Thank you for the information that over 80% of those who voted for TRACS in 2004 are still on the board, for I did not research that and did not know it.  Still, it was not they who made the statement you quoted, but BJIII.  In fact, it was not board members who made any of the virulent denunciations of accreditation over the past eighty years.  The fact that those sixty board members joined in the unanimous reversal of the school's position seems to indicate that they just don't do their own thinking, which surprises nobody.

It might surprise you to hear that I actually agree with much of your original comment, but I think that you're wrong when you assert that "all along it's been nothing more than a concocted fiction of fear, uncertainty and dread. It was never a glorious call to biblical separation."  Saying that they didn't believe what they were preaching is a judgment of their hearts that you aren't equipped to make, and that the evidence contradicts.  On the other hand, if we say that BJIII is once again reversing himself and trying to conceal it with weasel words -- why, I don't see how anybody could argue with that.

Posted by Anonymous on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 01:51
  Do you really think it's

 

Do you really think it's profitable, when an institution has its CEO's name above the gate and their board meetings occur entirely behind closed doors, to try and separate the individual personalities from the corporate image? An instititution IS its corporate image, and this is ESPECIALLY true of BJU. No other institution on the planet receives the kind of hair-splitting deferment you're extending to BJU. Organizations rise and fall on the public's perception of their corporate image, not on the merits of the individual constituents.
 
<<The fact that those sixty board members joined in the unanimous reversal of the school's position seems to indicate that they just don't do their own thinking which surprises nobody.>>
 
And why do we give them a bye on this? Seriously. I'm asking.
 
<<you made a false and slanderous accusation against those men and ladies>>
 
Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Though as I pointed out earlier, I did neither. I expressed an opinion. It's not like I've accused someone of a crime.
 
<<Saying that they didn't believe what they were preaching is a judgment of their hearts that you aren't equipped to make>>
 
And yet you use the word "slander" to accuse me. Ironic.
Posted by Grant Lewis on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 16:23
Process and Procedure

Just a quick note. While I agree that an announcement is a long way from an actually accreditation, I offer some professional experience. I work in higher education. I have been involved in professional re-accredditation issues for a specific School at our University (not regional, general academic accreditation, but something similar given the professional nature of the School involved). This process happens at all schools of this particular profession on an predictable basis, and the school knew this was coming. The School worked with the University to provide the needed documentation, but didn't make an announcement about the re-accredditation until after it happened. Mainly because it was felt that announcing anything earlier would put extra pressure and stress on the individuals working through the process.

While this is not an exact parallel to the BJU announcement, I would assert that announcing, especially in so public a fashion, and especially given the secrecy that usually follows BJU Board meetings, does have actual weight. The Board could easily have refused to make this public until the process was done, thus saving face if they failed to obtain accredditation, and also preserving the ability for the Board to back out of the process if the Board changed its mind. The fact that they made this public is significant, at least in my professional experience.

I would also add that in all likelihood, BJU officials and administrators (probably people down the food chain from the actual President and Deans), have been in touch with officials from SACSCOC prior to even taking this to the Board. Based on my experience, I'd estimate that there has probably been at least a summer and fall semester's worth of conversations going on between BJU and SACSCOC about this issue before they would even be willing to put this on the Board's agenda, especially given BJU's historic stance on accredditation (which you so excellently archived!). These two facts from my professional expereince make me actually quite optimistic about the Board's announcement.

I agree that we cannot let off the pressure, but by making the announcement public, and the professional experience I have that tells me that BJU and SACSCOC officials must have been talking about this for several months, at least, BJU has taken a significant step in the right direction. At the very least, they've give us (the alumni) a tool to use in keeping them on point over the next few years.

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:24
Great step forward

I agree this is a great step forward. And I agree I doubt they are making this announcement without doing at least some homework, though I do wonder sometimes given their mess up with TRACS.

I have been involved in professional re-accredditation issues for a specific School at our University (not regional, general academic accreditation, but something similar given the professional nature of the School involved). This process happens at all schools of this particular profession on an predictable basis, and the school knew this was coming.

But re-accreditation is very different from the initial accreditation. Re-accreditation happens at a predictable interval, and assuming that a school hasn't made any drastic changes that would effect the integrity of their academics it is fairly easy to predict the outcome. So they may or may not have known this was coming, and they may or may not qualify. It is rare to hear of schools that didn't qualify, but obviously it is possible, and clearly there are schools that don't. Your experience is in a different part of the processes.

The School worked with the University to provide the needed documentation, but didn't make an announcement about the re-accredditation until after it happened. Mainly because it was felt that announcing anything earlier would put extra pressure and stress on the individuals working through the process.

Which is why this announcement is so odd. They don't have regional accreditation yet. So why are they announcing this right now? What is their motive for doing so? Wouldn't it put undue pressure on them to succeed?

While this is not an exact parallel to the BJU announcement, I would assert that announcing, especially in so public a fashion, and especially given the secrecy that usually follows BJU Board meetings, does have actual weight.

You are dead on with this, but the weight isn't the announcement by itself. The weight is whether or not we hold them to this. We cannot allow this to fall into the internet waist land. But this is a huge step in the right direction for BJU, by making the announcement they are basically asking all of us to hold them accountable. This is a responsibility I gladly take on.

I would also add that in all likelihood, BJU officials and administrators (probably people down the food chain from the actual President and Deans), have been in touch with officials from SACSCOC prior to even taking this to the Board.

Absolutely, but meetings are a far cry from actual change and attainment. There are some really tough regulations that SACS will require. I'm sure you are familiar with them, but as it stands right now BJU does not qualify for SACS accreditation. So again, meetings are quite different from actually holding accreditation.

These two facts from my professional experience make me actually quite optimistic about the Board's announcement.

Same here. And I agree with your last paragraph. Thanks for commenting.

Posted by bjuaccreditation on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:57
Agreed but...

...let's not stand in the way of what would be good for future generations either. Keep holding BJU to the fire because, as you said, ten years is a long time and I'm sure we'll hear many a different tune in the years to come.

Posted by Anonymous on Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:14